Groupons have two separate values: the actual amount paid (such as $69 for a voucher promising $163 worth of food and drink at a restaurant) and the promotional amount ($163). According to Groupon’s policy, although the promotional amount may expire, an expired Groupon can always be redeemed with the merchant for goods and services of the amount actually paid. Thus, even if the above voucher for a $163 promotional restaurant dinner expires, the voucher can still be redeemed at the restaurant for the amount actually paid, i.e., $69.
Seems easy right? Think again.
Won’t Run bought a Groupon voucher for dinner at Chez Jacqueline in New York City for $69. It was described as a Three-Course French Dinner for Two with Wine (Up to $163 Total Value).
$69 for a Three-Course French Dinner for Two (Up to $163 Total Value)
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Two appetizers (up to a $19 value each)
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Two entrees (up to a $29 value each)
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Two desserts (up to a $14 value each)
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One bottle of wine (up to a $39 value)
This is a fairly good deal, one we’ve purchased before. Unfortunately, we blew it and the Groupon expired. All was not lost, as the Groupon description expressly says that “promotional value expires 90 days after purchase. Amount paid never expires...” (emphasis added).
We went to Chez Jacqueline last night knowing we had $69, the amount actually paid, to spend without restriction. Or so we thought. I ordered a drink and then we perused the menu, and came to the “Wednesday Steakhouse Special” which included various steak dishes for $15. He wanted the filet mignon. I wanted the skirt steak. Adding a salad and side would bring the dinner to roughly the amount paid for the now expired Groupon. Not nearly as good as the original Groupon offer, but one we could live with. Or so we thought.
The waiter shook his head. No, he said, you can’t use expired Groupon funds for menu specials. We asked to speak to the manager, but the waiter said the manager refused to come to our table because the policy is very clear. Refused? Uh oh, we already had the uncomfortable feeling that this was not going in a good direction. We insisted and the manager came over. He curtly said in no uncertain terms that the amount paid on the expired Groupon could not be used toward any restaurant specials. I explained to him that I understood that the “amount paid” can be used without restriction on any item on the menu, be it the daily menu or a special. He sneered and said no.
Never having expected this , we didn’t know what to do. At this point, I had already ordered a drink, and we’d started eating bread, so we didn’t feel we could just get up and leave (though, in hindsight, I wish we had). We shared an appetizer, a steak frites plate, and some cauliflower. The steak was grizzly (was this intentional?) and we left over half of it. The bill came. It was over $80. Had the steak special been honored, we could have each had our own meals and salad for far less.
So what does AMOUNT PAID NEVER EXPIRES mean? I think the restaurant was wrong. I read AMOUNT PAID NEVER EXPIRES to mean that the Groupon purchaser can use the amount actually paid toward anything at the restaurant, including the restaurant’s daily specials. In fact, Groupon’s Rules For All Merchant Offers Purchased Through Groupon supports the above conclusion:
For traditional Groupon vouchers, the promotional value will EXPIRE on the date specified in the offer, unless prohibited by law. The amount paid WILL NEVER EXPIRE and must continue to be honored by the merchant after the promotional value expires. The amount paid may be applied toward any goods or services offered by the merchant if the original goods or services specified on the voucher are no longer available. Promotional value can’t be combined with other offers. Doesn’t cover tax or gratuity. Not reloadable. Fully transferable.
This is all fine and well – I believe the restaurant was wrong in its interpretation of how amounts paid for a Groupon can be used (and in its treatment of us, the customers). But what is our recourse at this point? Stated otherwise, what is a Groupon customer’s remedy when a merchant makes up its own rules that violate the rules the merchant agreed upon with Groupon?
Why am I in this situation at all – I thought I was going out for a nice dinner at a cozy french restaurant and had a $69 credit to spend as I pleased. Instead, I had a most unpleasant experience.
What can Groupon do – or what should Groupon do – to make this right when the restaurant refused to allow us to apply the unexpired amounts paid on the Groupon as we wished? If AMOUNT PAID NEVER EXPIRES has any meaning, then I’d say Groupon certainly has some responsibility here.
STAY TUNED! TO BE CONTINUED!
Gene says
I would have walked out of the restaurant.
Will Run For Miles says
I agree Gene and wish I had. But, sometimes it all comes at you too fast to know what to do. So, I don’t think I should be penalized.
Angelina says
I agree with Gene. I would have left my Groupon on the table and walked out. The restaurant can deal with it.
John says
I agree with the restaurant. You should have ordered the three course dinner and not cherry picked on sale items.
Will Run For Miles says
John, you misread the post. The Groupon was expired, so I no longer had the option to choose the three course dinner.
Andrew L says
I think that Groupon’s rules mean that you have to use the value of the voucher ($69) toward the same item the voucher was for unless it is no longer offered. It makes sense on the part of the business owner since at least 25% of the $69 purchase price went to Groupon and other items or specials on the menu may have a lower margin that the Groupon Deal item.
It would have been nice if the restaurant had let you use the voucher for anything else on the menu but I don’t believe that they were obligated to do it.
Will Run For Miles says
Thanks for your input Andrew. While, I hear what you’re saying, but if you look at the big picture, rather than at each individual, overall, the restaurant is making plenty of money as is Groupon. In fact, a big part of Groupon’s draw is it’s promise to purchasers that the amount paid will never expire.
Won't Run says
I can’t wait for Part 2!!!
David L says
Happy to see a post on this very current situation-problem with Groupon!
I’ve had a lot of experiences with Expired G-vouchers (traveling too much and forgetting about expiration dates!). It’s really a toss up when it comes to if and how merchants will honor these–even and despite what the guidelines say!
My advice is to always Always call the establishment in advance, explain one has an expired Groupon, will be coming in that or the next etc day and make sure that they will be able to honor it. Often it’s complicated for them to code in the expired voucher and sometimes they will deny it only because the one person who knows how to do it is not working that day!
Secondly, if something like this happens, always contact Groupon and explain the situation. In my experience, they have been extremely good at contacting the merchant and setting things straight (although obviously not when you’re already sitting there at the tabel! 🙂 and-or giving a full refund to paid amount. On the rare occasion you get a G rep who’s not so helpful, do what we always do in our Travel CC Hobby: hang up and try again!
Thanks.
Will Run For Miles says
thank you so much. I expect that I will be speaking to Groupon today. They first need to speak to Won’t Run so he can give them permission to speak to me – and every time I call groupon its an hour wait for them to call back. I’m pretty sure it will all work out. I agree, the service reps at Groupon are above average.
Kevin says
Alot of people have different ideas .only one should matter,if you enter into a contract and the money changed hands then that is the contract between you and grouponbthey have the words smeared over there entire ad (which when you click on an sign in with your email and code it is now same as signed.it doesn’t matter how long after they are responsible to make you whole again to thee poorly written contract.by adding that to the ad they make substancially more a year in sales and they do that for the risk of having to honor it .that is only a risk with refund they know that.